1、Profibus與PROFINET有什么不同?是否有獨立接口?
What is the diFFerence between PROFIBUS and PROFINET? Is there any independent interface?
回答:
PROFIBUS是一種基于通信系統的現場總線。PROFINET是一種基于通信系統的以太網并提供一種較簡單的方法將自動控制系統集成在廣大的公司IT系統中,如MES(制造執行系統)或ERP(企業資源計劃)。
自動控制系統供應商同時為PROFIBUS和PROFINET提供接口。
Answer:
PROFIBUS is a Fieldbus based communication system. PROFINET is an Ethernet based communication system and oFFers an easier way to integrate the Automation systems into the company-wide IT-Systems like MES (Manufacturing Execution Systems) or ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning).
The supplier of Automation systems are offering Interfaces for PROFIBUS as well as for PROFINET.
2、作為設備(即現場儀表儀器)生產商可以通過怎樣的開發過程,使設備滿足PROFIBUS的總線技術要求?怎樣獲取相關的技術資料和!
As the equipment producer (field bus instruments and devices), which approach should we have regarding the development in order for the devices to meet the technical requirements and demands of PROFIBUS? How and where to get the information related and the technical support needed?
回答:
PROFIBUS組織已經建立了PROFIBUS咨詢中心。你可以->support->Compentence Centers上找到完整的列表。在北京也成了一家。PROFIBUS咨詢中心為設備開發提供支持,熟知PROFIBUS需求,特別是認證程序。
Answer:
PROFIBUS International has established PROFIBUS Competence Centers all over the world. You can find a complete list at -> support -> Compentence Centers. One is also in Beijing. PROFIBUS Competence Centers offer support for device development and are familiar with the PROFIBUS requirements, especially the certification procedure.
3、若開發了一個PROFIBUS DP從站,有無測試軟件?(一致性測試)或測試工具?
If a PROFIBUS DP slave is developed, is there any testing software or testing tools available for consistency?
回答:
PROFIBUS測試實驗室已經開發了他們的個人測試軟件。請與測試實驗室。
Answer:
The PROFIBUS test labs have developed their individual test software. Please contact a test lab.
4、GSD文件與DTM的區別在哪?
What’s the difference between GSD and DTM?
回答:
GSD描述了設備的技術參數。它真實地滿足了工業需求。DTM更加強大、靈活。它是一種非常好的控制現有系統并之后再次進行分支的方法。
Answer:
GSD describes the technical parameters of a device. It really meets the requirements of the industry. DTM is much more powerful and flexible. It is a very good way to take control over an existing system and afterwards branch back to it again.
5、在實時修改組態時,有何措施保證因修改出錯而確保系統不發生致命性損壞?
When the configuration is being modified in the real time during the installation, what step is involved to ensure to keep the fatal damage from occurring as the result of the modifying of the configuration?
回答:
當下載一個新的組態時,每個人都知道自己在做什么。意識到實際過程有幾秒不工作。
Answer:
When downloading a new configuration everyone is aware what he’s doing. Be aware that the real process is not working for several seconds.
6、西門子公司為用戶從事PROFIBUS主站或從站設計提供有哪些類別的支持芯片?說明一下各類芯片的特點和適應情況。在國內可以何處獲取(購買)?
What kind of chips supportive of PROFIBUS Masters or Slaves from Siemens? Please explain in more detail as to the features and the application cases for various kinds of chips. Where can the customer get (purchase) it in China?
回答(西門子):
購買PROFIBUS ASIC可以與您當地的中國西門子辦事處。技術問題可通過德國的PROFIBUS支持中心進行解決(:comdeo@)。
Answer by Siemens:
For buying PROFIBUS ASIC’s please go in contact with your local Siemens office in China. Technical questions can be answered by the PROFIBUS Support Center in Germany (: comdec@).
7、目前“樓宇智能化”也是大勢所趨,現場總線在這方面的推廣應用有無考慮?
“Building Inligence” is definiy a tendency. Are there any consideration given in this regards towards the promotion of such technology?
回答:
PROFIBUS主要應用于工廠及過程行業。它也可以用于樓宇自動控制。關鍵問題是該設備*化樓宇自動控制主要具有的廣泛使用這種分支的總線系統的接口(例如歐洲安裝總線(EIB),當地運行網絡(LON),bacNET)。
Answer:
PROFIBUS is mainly used in the factory and the process industry. It also can be used in building automation. The key issue is that the devices that are optimized for building automation have mainly interfaces of bus systems that are widely used in this branche (e.g. European installation bus (EIB), Local operating network (LON), bacNET).
8、組態軟件,例如step7,其與資產管理軟件是不是有相似之處?不同的地方是什么?
For the configuration software, take S7 for example, dose it share similarities with PAM? What’s the difference?
回答(西門子):
S7,STEP7及PCS7是西門子的品牌。
S7支持一個完整的自動控制系統。
STEP7支持自動控制軟件(編程,配置……)。
PCS7則支持DCS系統并包括來自S7的構成,特別是STEP7。資產管理軟件(PAM)功能集成在PCS7中。
Answer by Siemens:
S7, STEP 7 and PCS 7 are Brand names of Siemens.
S7 stands for a complete automation system.
STEP 7 stands for the automation software (programming, configuration …)
PCS7 stands for DCS system and includes components from S7, especially STEP7. Plant Asset Management (PAM) functions are integrated into PCS7
9、PROFIBUS協議與標準可到什么機構索取?
Where can we obtain PROFIBUS Protocol and Standard?
回答:
通常只有產品系統供應商及測試實驗室需要PROFIBUS協議與規格。PROFIBUS標準本身可通過IEC或國家標準化機構索取。
除了該文獻,像“PROFIBUS快速入門”也充足供應。
Answer:
Usually only product and system supplier as well as test labs need PROFIBUS protocols and specifications. The PROFIBUS standard itself is available by IEC or the national Standardization Organizations.
In addition to this literature like “Rapid Way to PROFIBUS” is available and sufficient.
10、談到現場總線的使用情況時會說某種總線,比如PROFIBUS及Interbus已安裝了2000多萬個節點,這里“節點”指什么?這意味著它們應用于相關領域的生產嗎?
PROFIBUS and Interbus have reached over 20 million nodes together. Does 20 million nodes mean point? Does it imply that they are used in the production related fields?
回答:
術語“節點”是指“設備的數量”而不是I/O點。
只有PROFIBUS能夠應用于工廠自動化和過程自動化。大約210萬安裝了1260萬PROFIBUS節點用于過程自動化應用中。
Answer:
The term “node” is identical with “number of devices” but not with IO- points.
Only PROFIBUS can be used for Factory Automation as well as for Process Automation. About 2.1 Million of the installed 12.6 Million PROFIBUS nodes are used for Process Automation applications.
11、PROFIBUS-PA是如何解決冗余問題?
For PROFIBUS PA, how to solve the redundancy problem?
回答:
PROFIBUS具有一個從站設備擁有兩個物理總線接口的冗余理念。這兩個總線接口能夠
a) 通過一根總線電纜(從站冗余)連接主站
b) 通過一根總線電纜(從站冗余和主站冗余,也稱作臨時冗余)連接兩個主站(初始主站及后備主站)
c) 通過兩根獨立的總線電纜(系統冗余)連接兩個主站(初始主站及后備主站)
該理念僅適用于作為物理層的RS485接口。PROFIBUS PA典型地與曼徹斯特總線電力傳輸(MBP)運行,通過總線電纜產生動力推動設備,因此不會有兩個總線接口的冗余從站。所以PROFIBUS PA中可使用兩個獨立的同種從站。該理念依照依賴于DCS的a),b)或c)進行應用。
Answer:
PROFIBUS has a redundancy concept where one slave device has two physical bus interfaces. These two bus interfaces can be
a) Connected to one master via one bus cable (slave redundancy)
b) Connected to two masters (primary master and backup master) via one bus cable (slave redundancy and master redundancy, also called flying redundancy)
c) Connected to two masters (primary master and backup master) via two separate bus cables (system redundancy).
This concept works only for RS 485 interface as physical layer. PROFIBUS PA works typically with Manchester Bus Powered transmission (MBP) where the devices are powered via bus cable and therefore there is no redundant slave having two bus interfaces. Hence in PROFIBUS PA two separate identical slaves are to be used. The concept that is applied according a), b) or c) depends on the DCS.
12、電力系統產品可以采用PROFIBUS嗎?
Are there any PROFIBUS PA application cases for the power stations?
回答:
是的。請參看例如ARC白皮書“過程行業中的PROFIBUS價值陳述”,第12頁:“意大利采用PROFIBUS進行發電廠修補”。
英文鏈接:
http:///imperia/md/content/pisc/news/ARCWhitePapervaluePropostionofProfibusintheProcessIndustries.pdf
中文鏈接(第9頁):
http:///imperia/md/content/pisc/news/ARCWhitePapervaluePropostionofProfibusintheProcessIndustries Chinese.pdf
Answer:
Yes, please see for example ARC White Paper “The value Proposition of PROFIBUS in the Process Industries”, Page 12: “Italian Power Plant Revamps with PROFIBUS”.
URL English:
http:///imperia/md/content/pisc/news/ARCWhitePapervaluePropostionofProfibusintheProcessIndustries.pdf
URL Chinese (see Page 9):
http:///imperia/md/content/pisc/news/ARCWhitePapervaluePropostionofProfibusintheProcessIndustries_Chinese.pdf
13、問一個非技術的問題。據我觀察參加本次研討會的有不少高校學生,說明現場總線也是高校學生研究的熱點之一。作為其中一員,我想請問唐教授CPCC有沒有開展一些面向在校碩士、博士的實踐和培訓活動?還想問在座的各大公司如西門子,ABB,E+H有沒有提供一些現場總線方面的實習或培訓機會?
I have noticed that there are some university students that are participating in this seminar, which indicates that the filed bus field has been the hot area for the students from the universities to pay close attention to. As one of them, I want to address this question to Professor Tang Jiyang from CPCC regarding the practical training and other activities that are directing towards the students working on their Master degrees and Ph.D.s degrees. And what about the companies like Siemens, ABB and E+H?
回答(E+H):
E+H方面還沒有為學生開設專門的PROFIBUS培訓。E+H對PROFIBUS的支持可以直接同Lianwang.Dou(lianwang.dou)。
回答(西門子):
西門子提供有關英語(中文正在建立中)PROFIBUS和PROFINET基于培訓。請參閱:(/htm. 76/f 11 simaticwbt.html)。
當然,每個當地西門子辦事處都會提供有關PROFIBUS和PROFINET支持。
Answer by E+H:
There are no special PROFIBUS trainings for students from E+H side. For PROFIBUS support from E+H side please feel free to contact directly Mr. Lianwang Dou (lianwang.dou).
Answer by Siemens:
Siemens offers web based training for PROFIBUS and PROFINET in English language (Chinese language is under work). Please see: (/html_76/f_11_simaticwbt.html).
Of course every local Siemens office offers support for PROFIBUS or PROFINET.
14、就發展趨勢來講,APC*控制算法,已內嵌到DCS的現場控制站(如Emerson的Delta V),SIEMENS,ABB的DCS現在能提供類似的技術嗎?
As far as the future trend, APC has already been imbedded into the DCS controller in the field (For example, Emerson’s Delta V), Can the DCS from either Siemens or ABB now provide the technology similar to it?
回答(西門子):
自5.0版本(2001年)以來,西門子DCS Simatic PCS7就可以使用*過程控制算法(APC)。
Answer by Siemens:
Advanced Process Control (APC) id available for Siemens DCS Simatic PCS7 since Version 5.0 (2001).
15、如果APC算法內嵌到DCS的控制站,那么控制站的基礎控制算法(PID等)若能內嵌到帶現場總線的現場設備,勢必大大增控制站的控制和優化功能。FF目前已具備在現場設備內嵌PID的功能塊的功能,PROFIBUS-PA目前沒有這樣的功能。PROFIBUS-PA今后會解決這個問題嗎?
Now that APC is imbedded into the DSC controller, then if PID would be able to be imbedded into the field devices, it would be enhance the control and optimization of the controllers. FF, so far, is capable of imbedding the PID module block. PROFIBUS PA currently has no such functionality. Will PROFIBUS PA solve this problem? There seems nothing mentioned regarding this area in today’s seminar.
回答(西門子):
控制站沒有必要運用PROFIBUS PA,現場總線性能充足并不斷增強確保冗余的自動控制的有效性。
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